Curse

1druid1 · Oct 08, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Hi All

My primary PVE Char is an Elementalist who I am currently working on titles with, but I am a little bored of title grinding at the moment, so decided to create a new Monk Character to have a play with. I have never tried a monk yet, my other characters being, an Ele, Warrior, Ranger and Necro. Using henchmen I have basically went out killing mobs grinding up till level 20, not done many missions yet, think only the first 5 or 6 in factions. At the moment, I am using whatever healing skills available to me. After reading some of the posts for Monks it looks like the best Elites to use are Healers Boon, Zealous Benediction or Word of Healing. My main aim with this character is really going through all the missions for all chapters in both Normal and Hard Mode, then maybe onto vanquishing. So basically just looking for a little help on the use of a monk and a general build for doing missions.

Cheers

Druid

Luminarus · Oct 08, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Couple of things I would suggest:

1) Preprot... use ur prots on characters before they take damage. This saves energy because reducing reducing 500 damage to 60 (prot spirit) is far more cost effective then healing 440 extra.`
2) Use the elite best suited for the area. Power healing isnt always the best, in condition heavy pve areas RC will far outheal and be more beneficial then WoH, or divert hexes in hex heavy areas.
3) Take a build suitable for the area, for example if theres no dangerous hexes in an area dont waste a slot on hex removal.
4) Only bring a rez if you dont trust urself, or ur party
5) Dont waste ur elite on healers boon, it just promotes bad monking.

General Monk Bar:

[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Guardian][Aegis][Glyph Of Lesser Energy]

Thats from what i can remember at any rate, havent monked in pve in a while

I havent gone into weapon swaps coz in pve you dont need em so much, but basically the idea is to have a couple of weapon sets with different mods from defensive, to the most beneficial for casting (40/40 mods) and swapping when casting to get the most bonus.

R4nd0m · Oct 08, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

5) Dont waste ur elite on healers boon, it just promotes bad monking.

General Monk Bar:

[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Guardian][Aegis][Glyph Of Lesser Energy]

Thats from what i can remember at any rate, havent monked in pve in a while.

Using Healer's Boon is bad monking? LOL!

It's the going Elite for the most successfull Hard Mode DoA Healer Monks nowdays...

Use Protective Spirit instead of Aegis. With Protective Spirit, ally cannot lose more than 10% max health due to damage from a single attack or spell. Aegis only gives partymembers within earshot a 50% to block attacks. With a cap of 10 second protection and recharge of 30 secs, more preasure will be put on healing. Protective Spririt has a cap of 19 seconds and 5 secs recharge, making it possible to Prot a tank and give him all the aggro. That way, less is put on party healing and the rest can kill of the mobs nice and easy ^^

And that you havent monked in PvE in a while... Trust me, it's quite obviuos

liutpry · Oct 08, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

i vanquished every area of the game using:

1) Reversal of Fortune
2) Gift of Health
3) Shield of Deflection
4) Protective Spirit
5) [optional] could be: Dismiss Condition, Draw conditions, Great Dwarf Weapon
6) [otpional] could be: Glyph of Lesser Energy, Armor of the Great Dwarf, Seed of Life
7) Aegis
8) Rebirth

Attributes should be:
12+1+2 Prot
10 Heal
8+1 Divine Favor

it's just winning

btw, let your heroes/hench use theyr healing skills and spec yourself in prot. As long as your brain is better than AI, you can prot 1000 times better than your pc with only 1 hour of practice

zelgadissan · Oct 08, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

General Monk Bar:

[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Guardian][Aegis][Glyph Of Lesser Energy]

I agree with this, with a slight change of dumping either Guardian or Aegis for either Dwayna's Kiss or another small prot like Shield of Absorption. If you dump Aegis, try to find room to put it on a hero build when you use them - MM is a great choice.

And yes R4nd0m, using Healer's Boon is bad monking. Good monking involves never letting the bars drop in the first place and then a handful of heals to fix what gets through. But that's a discussion for this thread. BTW, Prot Spirit is in that build, so I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Tanks are also fail.

R4nd0m · Oct 08, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

And yes R4nd0m, using Healer's Boon is bad monking. Good monking involves never letting the bars drop in the first place and then a handful of heals to fix what gets through.

BTW, Prot Spirit is in that build, so I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Tanks are also fail.

LOL!

Bad monk, baaad monk...

Ever heard of Domain of Anguish (DoA)? It'a a very diffiult area in the game. Ever heard of Hard Mode? It's a very difficult setting in this game. What do YOU think will happen if you COMBINE DoA and Hard Mode? It will be a very difficult area in a very difficult game mode...

<sarcasm>

Seriously, those claims are just plain ridiculous. Or should we call Anet right away and ask them to remove all 100 or so Healing Skills, save a few of them "to fix what gets through"... ??? I guess I have to meet up with ur monk someday in... was it Old Ascalon u said? I'll teach him a trick or two

And PS wasn't mentioned as in THIS skillbar... It's just an alternative. Btw, tried DOA without a tank? Didn'n think so

/Peace!

Tyla · Oct 08, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

And PS wasn't mentioned as in THIS skillbar... It's just an alternative. Btw, tried DOA without a tank? Didn'n think so

I have. And I also didn't use Healers' Boon. Infact, you can even Heroway it, so yeah...

Chaining SoA is far more effective than hitting Dwana's Kiss on recharge.

Okay, on topic;

Let's take the common WoH Hybrid as an example build.

Word of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss / Patient Spirit
Aegis
Shield of Absorption
Seed of Life / Guardian / Signet of Rejuvenation / Mend Ailment / ???
Cure Hex / Spotless Mind
Protective Spirit / Spirit Bond
Glyph of Lesser Energy / ???

SoA goes on targets suffering heavy fire.
Aegis goes up when there's a substantial amount of melee in a group for extreme damage mitigation.
Seed of Life has the same rules as SoA.
Guardian has the same rules as SoA.
Protective Spirit / Spirit Bond on someone taking extreme damage from single attack skills.
Word of Healing to be used to clean up damage.

I personally use something different instead of GoLE if I play WoH Hybrid, but I usually play Boon Prot (OoB oldschool baby!) because Divine Boon is awesome.

Winterclaw · Oct 08, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

We already have plenty of threads on HB and this doesn't need to become another one.

druid, use the general bars that Lumi and Tyla posted.

1druid1 · Oct 08, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Hi All

Thanks for some great advice, as I have always been a damage dealer what about a monks offensive capabilities, or should I stick witht he protection healing line?

Cheers

Druid

Tyla · Oct 08, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Reversal of Damage, Smite Hex and Smite Condition are as far as you can go with decent Monk offenses. You can always try AoE (Air of Enchantment) Smiters or Signet Smiters, but believe me; they are sub-par outside of undead areas, and that's just the Sig Smiter.

-Lotus- · Oct 08, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

HB is bad. r4nd0m is bad. hybrid is good.

Run one of those WoH hybrids that have been suggested. HB's failure has been explained plenty of times.

isamu kurosawa · Oct 08, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

Seriously, those claims are just plain ridiculous. Or should we call Anet right away and ask them to remove all 100 or so Healing Skills, save a few of them "to fix what gets through"

While you are at it get them to remove all those worthless tactics skills too. just because there are alot of skills in a line it doesn't mean they are all good. especially so in a line such as healing where most of them do the same thing, have low costs and low recharges, meaning taking 2 is plenty.

And yes, done DoA without a tank. Even in HM. PS and aegis BOTH happen to be staples for such runs. saying "just" partywide 50%block chance is reciculous in a game where martial damage is the most threatening.
Aegis is made even more useful in your example of HM because even wand attacks can cause serious damage.

As others have posted HB is a bad elite, it is a crutch for bad monks. It would be good practice for any budding monks to just stay away from it, then they can actually learn to play the class instead of spamming heals all day.

Age · Oct 08, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I am proud of you you said it Healers Boon.It takes courage to say that here.

I don't see what is wrong with what Luminarus posted although shield of absorption would be better than guardian being pve.

legacyofkain85 · Oct 08, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

woh hybrid >hb healer imo cause only good use for hb that ive found=gole+heal party combo where woh hybrid has prots and proting the dmg before u take it>healing the dmg after u took it,and it also saves energy.

illidan009 · Oct 09, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

HB is bad. r4nd0m is bad. hybrid is good.

Run one of those WoH hybrids that have been suggested. HB's failure has been explained plenty of times.

What he said. WoH is a very good elite, and Shield of Absorption is very useful...don't spam or overheal!! Also smiting prayers are quite bad if you want damage just go play your ele again

DarkGanni · Oct 09, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by R4nd0m

Using Healer's Boon is bad monking? LOL!

It's the going Elite for the most successfull Hard Mode DoA Healer Monks nowdays...

Use Protective Spirit instead of Aegis. With Protective Spirit, ally cannot lose more than 10% max health due to damage from a single attack or spell. Aegis only gives partymembers within earshot a 50% to block attacks. With a cap of 10 second protection and recharge of 30 secs, more preasure will be put on healing. Protective Spririt has a cap of 19 seconds and 5 secs recharge, making it possible to Prot a tank and give him all the aggro. That way, less is put on party healing and the rest can kill of the mobs nice and easy ^^

And that you havent monked in PvE in a while... Trust me, it's quite obviuos

Healer's Boon is just a button mashing build by spamming heals on recharge.
Aegis is a good party wide spell, you say 10sec? Hello 20% enchanting. 30 sec recharge eh? Ever Heard of Aegis chain or fast recharge? I don't think so.

I use both Prot Spirit and Aegis in my bar.

And at the comment: And that you havent monked in PvE in a while... Trust me, it's quite obviuos

Before saying that^ I would suggest looking at yourself in the mirror first because to me you look like you never monked before or just a close minded player.

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Back on topic: I'd go with the bar Tyla suggested.

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

HB is bad. r4nd0m is bad. hybrid is good.

Run one of those WoH hybrids that have been suggested. HB's failure has been explained plenty of times.

Agreed on the post above.

That's all I have to say for now.

- Ganni

Tyla · Oct 09, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by illidan009

What he said. WoH is a very good elite, and Shield of Absorption is very useful...don't spam or overheal!! Also smiting prayers are quite bad if you want damage just go play your ele again

Nah, real damage comes from physicals and other armour-ignoring stuff.

R4nd0m · Oct 09, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

HB is bad. r4nd0m is bad. hybrid is good.

Run one of those WoH hybrids that have been suggested. HB's failure has been explained plenty of times.

LMAO!!! I can allready hear them chanting.... R444nd000m... R444nd000m...
And the winner is... MEE!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

While you are at it get them to remove all those worthless tactics skills too.

You know what... That's actually quite a good idea! I'll get right on to it! And while I'm at it, I'll tell them to cut the Assassin class to, worst class ever! I have invited few assassins into parties before, I won't be doing THAT mistake again any time soon

10yr olds thinking they are invincible

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Quote:

Originally Posted by illidan009

What he said. WoH is a very good elite, and Shield of Absorption is very useful...don't spam or overheal!! Also smiting prayers are quite bad if you want damage just go play your ele again

Nah, real damage comes from physicals and other armour-ignoring stuff.

That's right illidan009, perhaps you should do some research on the Ele class befeore you get all wound up... First flaming others because of their obvious flaws, then getting batted down by Tyla on the finish line...

Beautiful

Tyla · Oct 09, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

You know what... That's actually quite a good idea! I'll get right on to it! And while I'm at it, I'll tell them to cut the Assassin class to, worst class ever! I have invited few assassins into parties before, I won't be doing THAT mistake again any time soon

10yr olds thinking they are invincible

I wouldn't want to play with 90% of this games' players anyway.

isamu kurosawa · Oct 09, 2008, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

I wouldn't want to play with 90% of this games' players anyway.

I don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R4nd0m

I'll tell them to cut the Assassin class to, worst class ever! I have invited few assassins into parties before, I won't be doing THAT mistake again any time soon

10yr olds thinking they are invincible

If you ask me you are just getting the wrong sins. A sin can supply some serious damage in PvE if they know what they are doing.